( Log Out /  Jesus says he will reveal himself to those who love him by doing what he teaches. There is nothing in the Bible which suggest displaying bodies for viewing or veneration. The papal tombs in old St. Peter's Basilica were the final resting places of the popes, most … And leave the skulls alone, and please keep them in the grave. Please continue to pray for Catholics and others caught up in ‘religious systems’ who urgently need to know the ‘true and living God/Jesus’, and NOT one of man’s making. That a man was casted into Elisha’s tomb and touched his bones, does not mean that these bones were taken home, keep on the table to be kissed and adored for generations to come. God’s revelation reached its climax in Christ, who is the image of the invisible God. There, though not mistreated, he died of an infection from an absess on May 19, 1296. No. Amen. We need to investigate this matter, and look at pictures of this pagan practice. Mary and those who died in the faith shouldn’t be regarded as dead (Romans 8:38-8). I don’t need a pope , I’ve got the Son of the living God, Jesus Christ. The Bible gives us precious promises, especially of His protection and His coming again to take us home. And guess who came to the Jew’s rescue throughout history when they were getting persecuted. Of course not. We can compare the church with the Old Testament people of God, Israel. But it’s because He’s God. Such veneration is based on things like the following: “Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring. And Catholics do look for a healing from the “Saint’s” relics, i.e., dead remains and material objects. The Bible calls the Church the Body of Christ, and if the Church became corrupt or taught error it could be rightly said that Christ was corrupt or teaching error. It is often asked what purpose is there to pray to Saints? This proves that they think it a small matter that they themselves are not ashamed of being cut off, and are taking no measures, while they may, to be engrafted anew; they are not content unless they do their utmost to cut others off, and bring them to share their own fate, as withered branches fit for the flames. The body of Pope Pius IX on display in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, engraving. The basilica is approached via St. Peter's Square, a forecourt in two sections, both surrounded by tall colonnades.The first space is oval and the second trapezoidal. If someone has an agenda, or are on a mission, that person can twist words or misrepresent them to fit their goal. If the Catholic Church is so holy, why are there unholy people, including priests, in it? Find premium, high-resolution illustrative art at Getty Images. Do it “for the love of g-d”! John 4:10-14 Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.” “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. This dead Pope is not put for public display. ; that Peter might be built upon the Rock, not the Rock upon Peter.”. His brief reign will bring unprecedented terror to the earth before our Righteous King Jesus vanquishes the Antichrist. New International Version (NIV) Believe in whatever you wish, You have no proof in any way whatsoever, so its merely a teeny weeny personal belief that you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to impose it on ANYONE. Over the years I’ve come to learn much when it comes to the Bible from my Bishop, other ministers who hold the Bible to what it truly stands for with God/Jesus, and believe it or not those in the MESSIANIC COMMUNITY as well. “Then let all the heresies, when challenged to these two tests by our apostolic Church, offer their proof of how they deem themselves to be apostolic. Among the saints pictured by journalist Elizabeth Harper is St Paula Frassinetti, displayed in a glass coffin at the Convent of St Dorotea in Rome. What then, is more precious than to be in the hand of God? Goglia said he and the others decided that no blood was to be removed from the dead pope's veins but that the liquid would just be added. If not everyone is competent enough to read common books, much less are able to read specialized and scientific books, and even less can understand the books of the Holy Scriptures, that are much deeper. who depends on flesh for his strength  OMG!!! http://www.torahresource.com/ArticlesEnglish.html. There is not enough evidence to say that the leaders of the Catholic church are practicing paganism because of what they do. Bad Catholics, including priests, are those who are not living up to the teachings of the Church. Diego Armando Maradona at Olympic stadium in Rome 12-10-2014. The Bible says worship God in spirit and in truth. There is no Scriptural proof for this false doctrine in either Testament. On the contrary, He rebuked the Jews for adding traditions which in effect undermined the plain teaching of the Scriptures: ‘Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition’ (please read Mark 7). “But should they even effect the contrivance [of composing a succession list for themselves], they will not advance a step. Jesus in sitting at the right hand of the Father (one incarnation–which you recognize). For what do you need this created objects, when you are called to worship the Lord in spirit and in truth? so my good deeds (karmas ) will give me good birth in next life. Jesus said don’t Judge so that u won’t be subjected to be judged. View top-quality illustrations of Body Of Pope Pius Ix On Display In St Peters Basilica In Rome Engraving Italy 19th Century. This is an example of a relic. What happens when a Pope dies? The theological idea was that celibacy would create pure hearts in service to God. Clearly, anyone with this view is not going to “warm up” to Rome any time soon. Certainly we should listen to and respect Christian teachers. […] Catholic worship of corpses, skulls and bones has its origin in the crypt in St. Peters Basilica in the Vatican. The figure of the Pope is flanked by Faith and Fortitude. She encouraged the dying to pray to their Hindu gods and hoped that she could make a Hindu a better Hindu and a Buddhist a better Buddhist. Blessings. In each succession and in each city there is a continuance of that which is proclaimed by the law, the prophets, and the Lord” (Memoirs, cited in Eusebius, Ecclesiastical History 4:22 [A.D. 180]). The worship of the woman stems from Tammuz in Babylonian times. Much respect to you! Lord have mercy! But God himself says idolatry/idol worship is not to be done, then guess what? Why was that? The church is flawed because the men who run it are flawed, just as we all are flawed. Unlike John XXIII, though, JPII's body is not on display… It’s a tangible link to that person. Obviously there are a lot of possible reasons, and while we should not divide over secondary issues, both sides agree that we must divide when it comes to primary issues. I’ve seen pictures of the Pope and catholics, kissing bones, praying to dead people, and so forth. The priests did not ask, ‘Where is the LORD?’ Those who deal with the law did not know me; the leaders rebelled against me. The Muslims. My being Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, etc. Its just not true. May you all have a blessed day, I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. En als zij zeer bevreesd werden, en het aangezicht naar de aarde neigden, zeiden zij tot haar: Wat zoekt gij den Levende bij de doden? Christians today should obey the Word of God preserved in the completed Scriptures, but they often go beyond what is written. Holy Shroud of Turin The Shroud of Turin from a 1979 file photo. Death could not destroy him, and the grave could not contain Him, the creator and author of life. Christ is the Rock on which the church is built. If what the RCC says is true, then every person who receives Eucharist is a saved believer (since they have life within then) and every baptized baby is a Christian..even though I have known many baptized Catholics who take Eucharist to believe in reincarnation. You don’t pray ‘to’ others who “died in the faith,” there is one intercessor, ONE mediator between God the Father and man and that is Jesus Christ. How can you say you are of his sheep when you are told the truth, yet you don’t hear his voice in what is said? Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. I guess that is what a Catholic would do. Because they obey Him in their baptism, for some the first act of Holiness and obedience. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Uh, could I use these photos. Thousands of mourners, many of them weeping, watched the procession that took Pope John Paul II's body from a palatial hall in the Vatican to St Peter's Basilica, where he will be buried on Friday. Every disciple of Christ is obedient to the Lord and is committed to believe and obey His Word. Therefore Peter is also called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ. 2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Hi Gloria You have a Bible, study the scriptures to see if what you are told is true. Here are quotes, Letters, Sermons from the Early Church Father!! I can’t believe grown men and women spend their time carefully researching and citing bible quotes so they can prove their point about such an absurd topic! The RCC imitated this pagan practice and in came the “Saints.” A Saint to pray for protection when traveling, Saint of the youth, Saint of cancer. I plan to ask our Lord about the Arc- two of every creature, wood ship- two termites ? It looks like you are not reading scripture that well! So with all due respect, you, Casey, and the Pope himself can come down and try to convince me that what they do is the “right” thing. ‘Sola Scriptura’ is not whether the Bible is the infallible Word of God or not (we all agree that it is). Goglia said he and the others decided that no blood was to be removed from the dead pope's veins but that the liquid would just be added. Because not knowing it is not as bad as misunderstanding it. If then these things are so, it is in the same degree manifest that all doctrine which agrees with the apostolic churches—those molds and original sources of the faith must be reckoned for truth, as undoubtedly containing that which the churches received from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, [and] Christ from God. All I need to know: Do people obey Jesus. I have seen some odd practices, even religious relics being honored, I dont think I would I would go so far to say they are worshipped. This is not a site for debate on Church politics. CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey reports. When I read the Bible, sometimes I know immediately what Christ is saying. He wrote that an angel had enjoined him to declare to you the episcopal succession of the Christianity of your town; to you, forsooth, who hold the Christianity not of your own town only, nor of Africa only, but of the whole world, the Christianity which has been published, and is now published to all nations. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. My Comment: Respecting one another is essential. The media has allowed us to believe every word they say, and in return, 3 He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. Rome, Museo Centrale Del Risorgimento Get premium, high resolution news photos at Getty Images A great clanking re-echoed from chapel to chapel; it was caused by the taps of the coffin which was being sealed, and crossed with violet ribbons. 50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. I don’t understand. Wow there is so much animosity between Catholics and Protestants here?? 51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split; Bodies of Popes are not carried around but are found in the Vatican Grottoes which as popular as any cemetery where figures of historical significance are found. God sent His Son who gave Himself as a ransom for many. Outward respectability and mere humanitarianism can never, in the eyes of the Church, replace that true supernatural virtue and charity which demand that the daily personal, domestic, and social life of a Christian must be inspired by love of God. The corpse of pope Paul XXIII looks a litle bit like Santa Claus. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). The Shroud of Turin from a 1979 file photo. The early councils of the church, with concrete links to the apostles and those who lived while Christ walked the earth, approved such veneration. Is that a bad thing? During a plague of serpents sent to punish the Israelites during the exodus, God told Moses to “make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. The funny thing is there is NO proof in scripture that Peter was even in Rome. I’m not a fan of the Roman Catholic church for sure, I don’t agree with many of the doctrine’s, Dogma’s, cannon law’s. The bones of those martyred in the Coliseum, for instance, were quickly gathered and preserved. The real genius behind the celibacy idea was purely economical. She said: “I love all religions. Bad Catholics can be accounted for without injuring the holiness of the Church, but canonized Saints cannot be accounted for without admitting to that holiness. […]. In Zimbabwe where I live, we have our own National Heroes Acre where we honor sons and daughters of the soil. . The Catholic Church recognizes and venerates Saints because they led exceptional lives in union with GOD and in return for their good works and perfect example, GOD blessed them with miracles through their prayers and intercessions. The roof this Church came down during the earthquake on April 6th 2009. Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. Its very useful and with permission I would like to show them. Read these words of God in sequence as I have reproduced them, then ask yourself if Mary, Popes, Brahma, Vishnu, Mohammed, Allah, Joseph Smith, The Watchtower, or any other entity in this Universe is worth giving the time of day to. Glory, If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds. My Comment: Good works is not going to get anyone into heaven. Rabbis and Kohen’s are supposed to get married, have children, take care of their communities, honor their parents and be honorable. When the body touched Elisha’s bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet. why such inequalities and inequities exists in world. 21:8–9). Mat 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. As we can easily see in the Bible among the Jewish people God frequently chose people to serve him that were not what you would expect, more just common everyday people with great faith. After all, even Satan “believes” in Christ. that means the soul has so much attachement and desire for the body in which it stayed. Obviously, books – even the holy ones – are meant to be read. There is nothing equivalent to canonized Saints in Protestantism, they don’t have the authority from God to do so. The body of Pope Pius IX on display in St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, engraving. When Heavenly Angels met with men/women and they bowed down, they always told the person to arise, not to worship them, but the Father only. Jesus said: “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” – John 8:32 (KJV). Romans 3:25 For, what does Scripture say? Yet they must also admit that not one of their denominations has any right to claim that it itself is the True Church. The Ten Commandments. Strange world…. The bones of Eliseus would constitute a first class relic, the cloths of St. Paul, second class relics–granted, however, that St. Paul was alive at the time. WILL NOT get me into heaven, and on judgment day I get the feeling too many will ultimately be quite shocked, highly disappointed, and extremely saddened by what they’ve let themselves be drawn into following. Are you saying that ROman Catholic believers do not worship dead popes? Believe me, this so called “infallible” monster is no friend of the Jews and Catholics have routinely persecuted the Jews for countless generations, it wasn’t so long ago that they were burning Non-Catholics alive at the stake. Catholics do things that we are commanded not to. You can quote scripture till your blue in the face and and all they do is repeat the same scripture out of context of the whole Bible. 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