Samuel asks Saul a question here: “Do you really think God prioritizes the burnt offering above obedience to Him?” This is a serious question, because it shatters the basic understanding of the law that the Pharisees had. Why Bathsheba mourned Uriah and then became David’s wife is likely chalked up to the fact that she had no choice in the matter. Saul sins and the Holy Spirit departs; David sins, but the Holy Spirit remains. Saul was regenerate in 1 Samuel 10, but within 5 chapters, we discover that this regenerate, “elect” king (yes, I’m using Calvinism’s favorite word, elect) has apostatized from God and no longer performs God’s commandments. 2 Then it happened one evening that David arose from his bed and walked on the roof of the king’s house. In 1 Samuel 16:14, the Holy Spirit departs from Saul. And yet, David realized that he wasn’t God, that he didn’t have the power God does, and that he wasn’t as holy and righteous as God is. Barrett quoted G. F. Moore approvingly: ‘The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of prophecy … The Holy Spirit is so specifically prophetic inspiration that when Haggai, Zechariah, and Malachi, the last prophets, died, the Holy Spirit departed from Israel.’ 1 Pet 2:22: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth. Saul disobeys this order, and God regrets making Saul king. When Saul sees Samuel the next morning, he pretends as though nothing has happened: 13 Then Samuel went to Saul, and Saul said to him, “Blessed are you of the Lord! As God told Samuel, “he [Saul] has turned back from following Me.” Saul’s loss of the kingship had everything to do with his spiritual condition: a man who was more concerned about building a monument to himself, then disobeying God by deeming the best of the sheep, oxen, and possessions worth keeping instead of destroying everything. Whatever the case may be, today it is not possible for the Holy Spirit to abandon a believer. See Grace: – God’s Riches At Christ Expense. There is no charge for active parish members; however, non-members are charged $1,000, which includes engraving the name on the interior wall of the Church. How does a regenerate person apostatize from God? There are many today who, like Saul, don’t grasp the idea that the Holy Spirit can depart from a believer’s life. A clean heart is not something we can give ourselves. When it comes to Calvin and Calvinism, there’s always been one passage that proves to be a conundrum: that is, the statement in 1 Samuel 16:14 where we’re told that “the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.” This is a verse that few Calvinists discuss; not even John Calvin touched the subject of the Holy Spirit leaving Saul in his Institutes of the Christian Religion. Though he’d lost a loyal soldier, a Gentile who wanted to defend the ark, Israel, and Judah, one who was loyal to him and would have been a lifetime loyalist, David had very little reaction to news of his death. When one consults anyone or anything outside of God, when one is egotistical, as Saul was (building a monument to himself), this is idolatry. And Saul disobeyed above all else, thus incurring divine wrath. “Hide your face” is a phrase that indicates God sees all sin; David wouldn’t request God to hide His face if God didn’t see all his sin. In keeping with that mission, our Catholic Cemeteries provide holy, dignified resting places for our departed, while bringing comfort, serenity and inspiration to the families whose loved ones have been placed in our everlasting care. The Holy Spirit can be driven away by choice of any believer. If a person or congregation departs from the Truth, the Holy Spirit departs. Why does the Holy Spirit depart from Saul?” It’s clear that the Holy Spirit’s departure for Saul is the divine judgment, since Saul gets an evil spirit from the Lord afterwards. He knows, He even knows Adam and Eve would disobeyed him . Have great faith. Did you not know that they would shoot from the wall? 18 Now the Lord sent you on a mission, and said, ‘Go, and utterly destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, and fight against them until they are consumed.’ 19 Why then did you not obey the voice of the Lord? His obedient to the Lord was always his intention .He is quick to consult the Lord in all his ways even going to war he would ask God if he is suppose to go. Lust is what drove David to do what he did because, as king, well, he could clearly have whatever (and whomever, I might add) he wanted. And did not the Lord anoint you king over Israel? As the Holy Spirit departed from Saul, so does He depart from a person or congregation. For example, Romans 8:9 tells us, “…if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.”. And yet, we see the Holy Spirit depart from his life. ** Check out this free infographic illustrating 13 ways the Holy Spirit worked in the Old Testament. It is a forceful repulsion by the apostate, a command for the Holy Spirit to leave them. He would have become a corrupted, damned creature, beyond the grace and hope of redemption from sin that God reserves for His own people, the original race that He created to be able to receive it. There, it would seem, to be the fundamental difference between a N.T. saint and the O.T. There is a very significant difference between the Old Testament and New Testament way that the Holy Spirit integrates with His saints. However, Samuel did not indicate that Saul would reside in the bosom of Abraham. If you hold to Eternal Security, or Calvin’s view of Perseverance of the Saints, congratulations: you hold to the fifth tenet of “TULIP” (“P” stands for “Perseverance of the Saints”). Thanks for post it. He waits for you to stop sinning and repent for Him to come back. The Holy S pirit is the 3rd person of the Blessed Trinity, and the one most active in the world today. Ironically, it is by His grace and mercy to command His servants, or by His own direct intervention, to completely destroy and stop the proliferation of these poor creatures. If the Lord picks and chooses certain individuals, as He picked Saul, then how can He depart from that individual unless He’s a cruel God who uses people, then tosses them? Anyone more consumed with building monuments of themselves in their own honor and sparing possessions because they deem them “worth keeping” is someone who clearly has forgotten his Lord and his spiritual obligation to be a man of God. And that is why Saul also lost the Holy Spirit’s presence in his life. Uriah’s loyalty was, in the minds of many, a loyalty wasted. If Saul rebelled against God’s decision to take away Saul’s kingship and give it to David, and willingly compromised his DNA with angelic DNA or a Nephilim giant’s blood/ DNA, the Holy Spirit could not abide with him anymore. Do you see the problem here? (2 Samuel 11:1-27). It is a possibility worth pondering. If the Holy Spirit were removed from us, we might as well be lost. Like Saul, they seek and pray but hear nothing, and yet, fail to reflect on their own heart and mind to see that God has left them. If there are no miracles signs and wonders seen in a congregation, the Holy Spirit is not in the congregation and the main problem is the person leading the congregation. Before Christ, a believer was onlt visited by the Holy Spirit. American King James Version ×, where the Holy Spirit is referred to as a gift, we conclude that it was Paul who asked God to give the gift of the Holy Spirit to Timothy. And yet, we find this regenerate king apostatizing from God. But Uriah’s loyalty wasn’t wasted. If Saul had been forever evil, God would never have made Saul king in the first place. To see where many protestant so-called churches today have erred or fallen to heresies, we look at the Truth in the Bible vs what these so-called churches and servants are doing. God decreed the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), the chosen and the destined for unbelief (1 Peter 2:8-9), and explicitly demonstrated that some were chosen specifically to make a point to the elect and the world by their very destruction (Exodus 9:16; Zechariah 11:12-13; Acts 1:16). Saul was Israel’s first king, and Saul’s family line could’ve stayed on the throne if he had obeyed God. If you mix yourself with the world, the Holy Spirit departs. The result of this encounter is that Bathsheba became pregnant. Really, he would rather enjoy the riches of his position than remember why God assigned him to it in the first place. The kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy, Rom 14:17: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost, See the kingdom of God is not in word but in power. 10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. There is no grading scale of sin in His eyes. Pray that He will reveal what is being read in the Bible for part of the role of the Holy Spirit is to teach us all things, as Christ told the disciples before He departed. And then, to see Saul claim that he had “performed the commandment of the Lord” is even further proof of just how spiritually lost Saul was. In Isaiah 63:10, we read that “they…vexed his Holy Spirit.” The Israelites could not have vexed a Holy Spirit they didn’t have. And then, Saul believed that he had kept the commandment of the Lord even though he hadn’t and thought he could offer up the possessions as a sacrifice to the Lord — though God didn’t want any of it. A New Testament saint is sealed by the Holy Spirit for salvation. “Purge” (v.7), “wash me,” (v.7) are references to removing his sin. Many today would say, “The Holy Spirit can’t depart from the lives of genuine believers.” If this is true, then what did David fear? In this discussion and on this subject, I side with David. Humbled and Grateful. That’s what Uriah’s circumstances were. And, it is a reminder that God would finally put an end to Saul by killing him. 12 So when Samuel rose early in the morning to meet Saul, it was told Samuel, saying, “Saul went to Carmel, and indeed, he set up a monument for himself; and he has gone on around, passed by, and gone down to Gilgal.” 13 Then Samuel went to Saul, and Saul said to him, “Blessed are you of the Lord! My closing point is that the Holy Spirit did not permanently dwell with a believer until Christ was sent to give all believers the gift of true supernatural cleansing from sin. 17:10b-14 that were never made to Saul. Gen. R. xix. Saul probably did quite a bit more than we are told to drive away the Holy Spirit. And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me. If you do not believe, the Holy Spirit departs. His narcissism and egotism didn’t take long to develop. This may seem pretty far-fetched, but it was done in the early post -flood world by the king of Babel(Babylon), Nimrod. He had to have David come and play music to help with his mental anxiety and depression. God saw everything that happened. After the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, a spirit of distress from the LORD began to torment him. Opening up a building calling it a church, seeing money and people come is not a Bilbically named sign that the Holy Spirit is with you. 4; comp. The Lord tells Moses to lay his hands on Joshua to transfer some of the power he had to Joshua. Hence, he stated that Saul and his sons would also come to Hades. First and foremost, the Spirit creates new life in believers (Titus 3:5), producing the same new birth Jesus spoke of in John 3:1–8. Tone 4 Prokeimenon (Holy Fathers) Blessed areYou, O Lord God of our fathers, / and praised and glorified is. Saul was “so past” that phase in his life. In either case, the Holy Spirit rested within Moses and the Wilderness Generation (at first). He wasn’t sorry over his sin, wasn’t grievous over his sin. David sins in a big way, and the sin is ugly before the Lord and displeasing in God’s sight. The Holy Spirit: is God: As Comforter of the Church. If we’re so busy pointing fingers at others and condemning them for their sin, then we’re cognizant of our own sin before God. While we read of David’s quick confession here in 2 Samuel 12, David gives us the full picture of what confession looks like in Psalm 51. The sad thing is that Uriah died, not knowing what happened, not knowing that Bathsheba had been pregnant, not knowing that David had taken his loyalty and trampled it underfoot. Period. There is an answer. But any man who murders a woman’s husband to be with her isn’t necessarily in love but in today’s view, a psychopath. “Against You, You only, have I sinned, and done this evil in your sight.” David acknowledges the wrong he’s done against God, and calls it “evil.”. 6 And he shall restore fourfold for the lamb, because he did this thing and because he had no pity.”, 7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! He “became a mighty one” in the earth. The first 600 years of church history, including the apostles’ age in the church after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, existed without any teaching on the Doctrine of Eternal Security. David’s concern in that moment was not the kingship, but rather, his salvation, his relationship with the Lord. That little voice, however, may well have been the Holy Spirit trying to get your attention. (Psalm 51:7-9). Samuel resided in Hades, which was separated into two different realms, as it were (Luke 16:19-31). In this article, we’ll provide an answer to this question by looking at both Saul and David. This alone allows believers to be clean and holy enough, through faith in Christ’s blood, for the Holy Spirit to live in them forever. It appears that Mel Gibson used the imagery of a dove to represent the Holy Spirit in his movie. This is fact. This is the same Saul that built a monument at Carmel to himself. The following day we observe the Commemoration of All Souls. Scripture taken from New King James Saul was God’s chosen, this no one denies. Samuel’s exact words were the following: “Because you have rejected the word of the Lord” says it all. It’s interesting that the world we live in always tells us that we can create our own destiny and reality. Jesus Christ does not send His servants without power. Why did you swoop down on the spoil, and do evil in the sight of the Lord?”, 20 And Saul said to Samuel, “But I have obeyed the voice of the Lord, and gone on the mission on which the Lord sent me, and brought back Agag king of Amalek; I have utterly destroyed the Amalekites. The Holy Spirit left Saul because he wasn’t under covenant loyalty as was David. He wanted God’s presence to forever remain with him. This leads to a person preaching a powerless gospel which is not Jesus Christ gospel. 6 Then Saul said to the Kenites, “Go, depart, get down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them. The Holy Spirit: is God: As Dwelling in Saints. To fix this atrocity, God called for complete destruction, except for His own chosen survivors, Noah and his family, They are chosen because Noah alone is a godly man, and he has no genetic corruption from angels in his DNA/ lineage. I think we should have the humility of David, never forgetting that God can cast us from His presence and remove His Holy Spirit from us if we put our sin before Him and sin without care for God’s law. See the starting series revealing protestant heresies today; – why the Holy Spirit has departed. Shall I then go to my house to eat and drink, and to lie with my wife? (Psalm 51:1b-2). Saul was sent an evil spirit from the Lord, and the Holy Spirit had departed from his life. A suggested clue might be that God “regretted” making Saul king. God will never leave us nor forsake us ,IF we still choose to follow Him.In the old testament, there were plenty of examples when kings who were evil but repented, God still restore them. The Spirit then came upon David (1 Samuel 16:13). God was taking away Saul’s kingdom, and so too the Spirit that empowered him as king. The Lord said “I greatly regret that I have set up Saul as king, for he has turned back from following Me, and has not performed My commandments” (v.11). Samson did not know when the Spirit of God had left him untill he found no more power. See the kingdom of God is not in word but in power. Its dangerous for a figurehead to be a leader because a leaders character multiplies into his subject and God cannot trust Saul to be good figurehead for his precious people. It’s because Saul turned back from following God that the Lord sent Samuel to tell Saul that God rejected him from being king. Calvinism is still alive and well in the world. Having seen Saul’s relationship with the Lord disappear, he didn’t want to be next on the divine’s enemy list. 4 So Saul gathered the people together and numbered them in Telaim, two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand men of Judah. At his word they shall go out, and at his word they shall come in, he and all the children of Israel with him—all the congregation.” (Numbers 27:18-21). The Holy Spirit will not deny an apostate such an emphatic order. 10 So when they told David, saying, “Uriah did not go down to his house,” David said to Uriah, “Did you not come from a journey? You have killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword; you have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the people of Ammon. But Uriah, the Hittite, a Gentile, was too loyal to David, the army, and Israel to have any pleasure with his wife while the nation was at war. God “regretted” the creation He made, and destroyed them with a flood. 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